Friday, July 14, 2006

July 14 notes: questions & answers

Greetings all! The two fledglings at the eagle cam' are doing well with flights, getting better at landings, and remain highly attentive to food and adult parents. They also seem willing to pose in front of the camera on a regular basis ... so we continue! You have proven to be dedicated and attentive observers. Your blogs have greatly simplified my job by sharing insights with each other.

The blog has become part of our daily routine to see how things are going and helps us draft the Journal notes! Bucky and Mark are away this week, so I will use the opportunity to briefly address some of the topics you have raised in the last week.

(1) Size differences: Females eagles are about 10 - 15% bigger than males from the same area. Eagles from northern latitudes are larger than those from southern areas. (Thus, a large female eagle from Florida might be about the same size or a bit smaller than a male eagle from Nova Scotia and much smaller than a female from northern regions.) When we handle an eagle, we measure the width of the lower leg and the depth of the beak as reliable distinctions between males and females! When eaglets fledge, they are essentially full grown although there may some of the larger flight feathers are still actively growing when they first take flight.

(2) Identifying Big & Little: When you see the fledglings one at a time, it's hard to judge size and identify them. BRI is controlling the camera zoom, and changes will affect the image size on your screen. Also, relative positions from the camera affect size perceptions. The nest is about 4 feet in diameter and the camera view usually captures lateral limbs about 5 feet closer and further away than the nest. Many have reported behavioral distinctions and quirks between Big & Little: good strategy! Perhaps next year we will band the eaglets (when about 6 weeks old) and use color bands with distinct codes to aid your viewing. You will be amazed that such an intrusion at the nest is tolerated, but careful timing is the key safeguard ... as it is in most of our management decisions to avoid disturbances to breeding eagles.

3) Little's fledging experience: I THINK Little probably went all the way to the ground on July 4. There are not that many limbs below what you see near the nest in the camera view and our savvy landowners can easily scan them There is no way Little could have climbed back up (although some raptors can in lesser trees) since the bottom 50 feet of this nest tree has no limbs to aid the ascent. Even with a forward flip start, it is likely that some wing flailing lessened the speed of his descent and effectively cushioned his fall.

4) Grounded fledglings: Most take short flights to higher limbs in adjacent trees to regain heights and return to the nest. This could take a day or more, especially during the foggy conditions recently prevalent near the eagle cam'. Some fledglings have more skill (or luck) with first flights, but smooth landing are a mystery that escapes most fledglings for a few days. The hops and lunges from the nest to surrounding limbs are good practice, and all flapping motions help build important flight muscles. Remember, Big & Little have been stationary in the nest for most of their lives so more exercise, gradually longer flights, and time are all important ingredients to their development on-the-wing.

5) Bruised leg? Little may have had a bruise of other soft tissue injury from his fall on July 4. It was not a broken leg. Such an injury would have prevented a return to the nest, clinching food, etc. One-footed perching is not that unusual, especially on slanting limbs as many are around the nest. Most viewers seem to notice steady improvements, concerns have lessened, and admiration for the fledglings' development is dominant in the blog. Enjoy!

6) Interventions: Unless a serious injury manifests, the fledglings are much better off with adult parents than being taken into captivity for veterinary attention or rehabilitation. The coming weeks are their ONE chance to learn survival skills while still living a guarded existence with Mom & Dad. Note the incredible restraint that the landowners demonstrated during the shaky fledging period: well done! We were all curious about the fate of the eagle cam' fledglings, but this development period is critical both in the short term and chances for future survival. Interventions for Little could have jeopardized Big in this crucial period and could not be justified unless absolutely necessary.

7) The next week: As long as the family group is together and disturbances are minimized, I doubt that inadequate food will be a factor at this stage. Little seems to occasionally get the edge in food squabbles. Which eaglet prevails at any given feeding might only reflect which one is hungrier. When both are content, indeed there is harmony at the nest. They will lay prone in the nest less and less as time progresses, and eventually time spent at the nest diminishes. I know you miss seeing the adults, but their absence from the nest encourages the fledglings' development. As noted before, one or both are usually watching carefully from a nearby. For example, I once watched an eaglet alone in a nest for 4 hours with no adult in sight, when an osprey circled twice overhead. The eaglet gave an alarm cry, and both adults were chasing away the intruder within 15 seconds ... but I had not seem them at all until that moment of need! The fledglings are usually inept at catching food so adult eagles will continue to make food drops at the nest or at other locations frequented by the fledglings.

-- Charlie Todd, Maine Dept. of Inland Fisheries and Wildlife

77 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear Charlie:

Thank you for addressing the many questions we all seem to have on our minds regarding our beloved eaglets and their parents. Your responses put my mind at ease tonight. Your hard work is really appreciated.

1:12 AM  
Blogger Unknown said...

6:08AM (EDT) 7-15-06
Charlie - I enjoy all the journal notes, this one was excellent, as usual. Now we're winding down on our nest sightings and I am trying to wean myself, just as the parents are doing their children.

I print off all the journals and have them in a 3-ring binder. They've helped me considerably.

The eaglets are soaring in and out like they've been doing it for months, instead of weeks.

It truly is getting difficult to distinguish the eaglets now, even their chirps are changing. I marked the keys on my piano for the note each one sounded. This may have to be altered.

The Lucky Landowners coming into the blog has gave all of us an AWE about what they must view, day in, day out. Sharing their information was above and beyond. It was a thrill and I could hardly believe my eyes at their first post.

QUESTION:
Was it BIG who was knocked out of the tree the first time? Then next was Little?

Do we suspect BIG flew or climbed back into the tree? You've explained how Little probably did it and that's an excellent senario for my thinking.

Thank all of our wonderful Biologists and the Lucky Landowners too.

6:22 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you, Charlie, for answering so many of our questions. We all await your post each week with much anticipation you always re-assure us that everything is going well. I have seen both eaglets leave and arrive at the nest many times, now...and, although it is a relief to see them finally flying, it's still a bit sad knowing that soon our nest will be permanently empty.
Thank you again, Charlie...see you next week.
Rhode Island

8:12 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Charlie, Thanks so much for all the news and information about eagles/eaglets!! They must be out doing "Saturday Chores" this morning!!
Surely will miss all the posts/pictures,/ Thanks so much for all everyone has done so that we could be a part of this wonderful experience.
Glenda
Fieldale, VA.

9:56 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My family & I can not thank you all enough for the pleasure we receive watching and learning about these magnificent creatures. May God bless you all richly.

10:55 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you Charlie for the update and great information. What a joy being able to watch nature upclose has been. We've all fallen in love with Big and Little and they will always remain in our hearts. I'm so glad that they are continuing to come back to the nest so that we can have more time with them. I have saved the links to video that some have posted here so I'll be able to at least watch these when our babies are really gone from the nest. Thanks again to all of you dedicated hard-working folks at BRI. And thanks for indicating that we will be able to enjoy the webcam again next year!

Saturday, July 15th - Kaye in Texas

11:22 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you so much for the update on our little ones, it was nice to see replies to questions we were all thinking over the week..
I'll miss the ealglets when they leave the nest altogether, but I have had such great joy watching them grow up, it's something I'll never forget.
Thank you so much.

Tracy A-UK.

11:46 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Charlie, thank you for the update and for answeing the questions. You have been a wealth of information from the day the first egg was laid. We have eagles around our lake and I am absolutely thrilled each time that I see them. This spring we had one land in a tree in front of our house, maybe 100 feet from the house, and it had a fish or something that it was eating. Must have stayed for about 15 minutes. It was a thrill that I won't soon forget, I took several pictures of it. Between your site and the loon site, I have been glued to the computer for many hours this spring. I saw both eaglets in the nest yesturday and it's wonderful to still have them come back once in a while, that way we know they are okay. I will be looking for the return of the cam next spring. Keep up the good work, you have kept it very interesting indeed and the land owners have our gratitude for allowing you to set up the camera. They have exercised great restraint in not bothering the eagles, not sure that I could do that.

Loon Lover on Sibley Pond

1:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Saturday July 14th

Great to have questions answered! Thanks Charlie. Also glad that you don't mind when we take a stab at answering questions among ourselves! :-) We're an impatient bunch of souls!

By the way, everyone, there are 14 new messages posted on the old biologists journal.

3:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

11.04 AM...UK time..

One Eaglet in the nest doing some housework, moving his twigs about.
Think he's waiting for his breakfast :-)

T.A

6:10 AM  
Blogger intrathecally speaking said...

wheres the pic??

8:34 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sunday morning July 16

Oh, darn, an empty nest in Winslow. And cheeping from somewhere across the field, not very high in the air. Our second eaglet has "fledged" or "fallen", if there's any difference!

Well, I enjoyed two nights of worry free sleep! Now it's back to walking "up back" frequently to sit in my lawn chair at the edge of the woods and look longingly for two eaglets at the nest -- so I know he's okay and can fly!

No wonder I don't get anything done between watching the eagle cam, reading the two blogs, watching my own eaglets and playing with my grandson!

Jane

9:28 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

July 16th. I really appreciated your July 14th update -- thank you so much! I hope the cam will be on for some time yet, because I for one check up on Big and Little several times a day. A moment ago, when I peeked in they were both in the nest, Big eating and Little doing surveillance. I guess all was clear because he then flew off. A nice start to my Sunday morning!

9:44 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sunday July 15th

For the lady who's daughter asked about whether eaglets mate with their brother or sister -- I have thought about this a lot since we have seen many eaglets grow up here and they are now returning to nest nearby.

I think the odds would be against mating with a nest mate. I don't know about older eaglets from the same nest, though.

For one thing, the survival rate of immature eaglets is only about fifty or sixty percent. So it isn't too likely that both nest mates will survive to maturity.

Eaglets wander away from their home territory during the Winter months, and mix with eaglets from lots of other places at Winter feeding grounds. I have read that when they are mature and ready to mate, they choose a mate there and go off together in the Spring, to choose a nest site. Sometimes go "back" to the male's home territory to nest, and sometimes to the female's. Biologists don't know how they determine which place to go.

All of these "facts", if they are accurate, suggest that they probably mate with an eagle from another nest and possibly with an eagle from another part of the state, or even from another state.

Unfortunately I don't have at my fingertips the various sources, on the internet or in books, where I found all this. Hopefully one of the biologists will discuss this question next time, add more info, and verify or correct my info!

9:47 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do the eaglets need to drink water other than the fluid they get from food?
Thank you for doing such a great job. It is the highlight of my day when I see the babies on the nest!

11:12 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

VISITOR to our nest on Sat. 7/15 at 3-4 pm. Hope you will comment on this visit, is it a returning eaglet, a visitor from somewhere else? How old? etc....
Thank you for all your doing and the updates, an amazing adventure since March for our family, hope you will return next year.
Oregon

1:38 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Saturday there was a very strange looking juvenile eagle visitor to the nest. White head, mostly dark or mottled tail, ruffled feathers -- some seemed to be missing. He looked around in all directions very nervously like he knew he shouldn't be there, and didn't want the parents to catch him!

There's a video link on the info tech blog site page 76, and a still picture at the top of page 77.

http://forum.infotecbsi.com/viewtopic.php?t=6750&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=1900

I think it's a three or four year old juvenile, moulting one set of feathers and growing in another.

Bucky, Charlie, Mark??

3:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sunday 16th
3:30 PM

Two eaglets on the nest in Winslow. It didn't take that second one long to get back!! I guess he was really ready to fly! :-)

5:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Charlie,

Thanks for dedicating your life to the care, concern, and guardianship of these precious raptors. Thanks to you and your colleagues my life and my perspective will never be the same. You are appreciated more than words can ever express.

ACR in NYC

5:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Burke, 7/16 - 7:15pm

Charlie, I add my thanks for your wonderful notes and all you do. And thank you also to Bucky, Mark, the Lucky Landowners, and BRI. You have provided a lot of people with a great deal of education about our national bird. It has truly been a wonderful experience. I also thank all the wonderful bloggers who take the time to share information.

It really has been wonderful to log in and see the eaglets on the nest and then later a nest empty and know that they are off learning about life. I'm sure relieved and happy that we know that they are both okay and will do okay after they leave for good. The one week after Little fell was really nervewracking.

So again to everyone it has been a pleasure watching Big and Little with you. I know we will all be sad and happy when they leave for good.

Well I need to go get some laundry done. Talk to you all tomorrow.

7:27 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

7/16
I hope Charlie can answer the question about how much longer the cam will be on...and when we will be able to tune in again next year. It is 7:20 PM ET and the two eaglets are at the nest on their respective branches. Little is very vocal, calling for food. Big added her vocals and is now back in the nest picking out small morsels of food. Poor Little doesn't seem to get much food. I hope he does better in that department when he's away from the nest.
Good night from Rhode Island
Rhode Island

7:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Monday July 17th
8:17 AM

Interesting. One eaglet is on the nest and manteling over food. One parent is on the limb, I think it's Dad. He's small.

The parent jumped down next to the eaglet, then leaned right over turned his head, and looked inquisitively under the eaglet's beak. He then quickly grabbed a small piece of prey and ate it. Then he did it again. And then he took a BIG chunk and dragged it out from under the eaglets beak.

Not a peck or an agressive move from the eaglet. Either it's Little, or Big learned his lesson and doesn't try to "beat up on" Dad any more. I don't think it's Mom, as he isn't big enough next to the eaglet.

The parent went around in back of the eaglet and picked up scraps, then snuck up from behind, went under the eaglet's left wing, and came away with a huge piece of prey.... he's evidently eating it, while the eaglet just watches out the corner of his eye.

The eaglet is peeping throughout this encounter. I really think it is Big because he's huge beside the parent, and has a lot of white on his tail. But he isn't TOUCHING that food. Now the parent crosses in back of him again .... is reaching under the eaglets tail ... looking for scraps ...

If this is Dad and this is Big .... Big learned his lesson that day when Dad "attacked" him.

This also shows that manteling isn't really effective if the other eagle(t) has the courage and the know how to sneak right up under your wing and steal the food.

I don't think the eaglet has eaten a bite, he's so busy screaming/crying and trying to protect the food. I wonder, do they ever eat while manteling, or just mantel until they have the food to themselves and eat after the other eagle has left.

I can BARELY hear him with my sound turned way up. Have been on video too long. Have to go to the still cam, where you can't get the same blow by blow. You have to guess what happened in between shots.

The adult is standing right BEHIND the eaglet picking scraps off the nest bottom. Finally the eaglet has wised up and started to eat. Hate to get off, but I must.

8:33 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

1.30 PM-UK.
Parent at the nest (dad?) food drop. Big guarding his prize, no sign of Little..
Hope he doesn't go hungry today.

T.A

8:52 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

8:15 am July 17th pacific time

Adult flew in on nest. Looked around,,,,here comes one kid, mantelling over scrap, adult flies off, kid picks at scrap.

11:22 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

July 17th. Interesting goings-on in the nest -- I just read about the visitor! Good thing no one was at home, because I doubt he or she would have been welcomed with open arms! A little while ago, dad arrived to an empty nest, only to be joined a moment later by Big, who landed very nicely on a branch, but, boy, was she ever in a bad mood. No "hello" to dad, no "thanks for everything". Instead, she mantled and chased dad away. Then she proceeded to eat what looked like a snake. Yuck! Of course, it could have been an eel.

11:30 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It would be great if you could leave the cam as far back as that for a while, so we could see the eaglets fly in and out, or if they were up in the higher branches we could see them. Just for a while, because the close ups are great, too, and we really want to see the interactions, etc.

1:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Love the new angle. Now we can determine of they are still in the tree, just not in the nest, or really out there in another tree observing the action at the nest.
1:35 Monday, 17th

1:41 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

07/17/06 1330.. Jane thanks for the input about whether it was likely that nest mates could mate at all. There are alot of variables but I suppose it is possible. the things I read on the internet and and articles in National Geographic hadn't really addressed it and when I was doing my journal entry for last week on the 12th Big and Little were so friendly towards each and had had a really good afternoon together and my daughter saw the pictures and asked the question. May Charles or Wing could have an inout. Thanks Jane as its nice to have someone to talk these things out with. I love your observations and wondered if this is your profession or if you are just observe we like we are?? BEV

2:02 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

3:06:PM (EDT) 7-16-06

Great view and now we see where they like perching and how they glide right in! Love it - of course we all enjoy the close views too. Maybe M-W-F the long shot and the rest of the days the close ups? Just an idea.

You can't compare the eaglets to either parent now - they are bigger than both parents. You can tell when mom is in the nest because she's the ONLY one that attempts to pull the prey away from the eagletss.

3:13 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

Oh - another quick question - I've asked before but didn't see an answer (sorry to bother).

How deep is this nest? It looks to be 5-8' deep.

3:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Monday July 17th

Thanks Bev! I'm real glad you also did some research into your daughter's question. I wondered, too, about the "sociobiology" aspects of the question -- the genetics, or whatever it would be called -- is there anything in nature that discourages siblings from mating, etc. I am REALLY hoping one of the biologists writes about this!!

No, I'm a retired law librarian but am at home with the eagles and fledglings a lot. Also, I don't have to go "out in the field", all our 13 acres is in "essential habitat", and we are beside the river where it is closest to the nest. Just got very interested in eaglets and learned about them, from living with them, like the landowners at the eagle cam location. Charlie is a big support, and great about answering questions and giving us advice and support, etc. He's the state of Maine's eagle specialist.

Also, I have tried to find a good professional book about them -- their biology and habits and life cycles, etc. Charlie recommended "The Bald Eagle" by Stalmaster (1987) and to me it's the best one, but not in print. You have to get it at the library, on Interlibrary Loan or buy a second hand copy somewhere. Maybe Bucky or Mark or Charlie will write the nest such book! oops, that's the NEXT such book!

I have become an absolutely avid eagle lover, in the process! :-)

6:50 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In her blog, Susan in LA mentioned a behavior I've seen a few times which has piqued my curiousity. Why does the eaglet 'hood' himself with his wings when the male adult brings food to the nest? Is this a submissive behavior?

ACR in NYC

7:44 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The eagles have been in our lives for many months now and today I was reading about the powers that connections with animals bring to our lives. This is from www.theearthangelconnection.com/Power%20%20Animal.htm

"EAGLE- REMINDS US OF COURAGE AND SPIRIT. EAGLE FLIES FEARLESSLY,BRIDGING HEAVEN AND EARTH,AND TEACHES US TO COURAGEOUSLY FACE OUR FEAR OF THE UNKNOWN IN ORDER TO FLY AS HIGH AS OUR HEART'S JOY CAN TAKE US. FINDING OUT THE TRUE EMOTIONAL ASPECTS WITHIN SELF, USING THEM TO REDISCOVER THE CHILD WITHIN, AND AWAKEN A HIGHER SENSE OF PASSION, CREATIVITY, SPIRITUALITY, STRENGTH AND HEALING."

I feel that the privilege of watching has certainly made me think differently about many things.

May they fly free and in peace.

Lucy in Maine

7:47 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

7/17 5:18 pm PDT, Adult on branch, must have made a food drop, Big eating away and Little just flew in. Adult left them to battle it out and, as usual, Little just waiting patiently, hoping for scraps.

8:25 PM  
Blogger Tonya said...

July 17th 8:30pm EDT

Great view you are giving us. Just watched Big, Little and one of the parents fly into the nest.
I have a question tho. Back on July 15th, a juvenile eagle was in the nest. I watched a video of it. I am wondering if you figure the juvenile is the same one that visited the nest back on Feb. 5th.
If you think that is probable, do you feel it is trying to establish a territory for him/her self for next year. It has alot of white on its head, so I am assuming by next spring, it will be consider an adult.
What is the likely hood it will take over this nest forcing our nesting adults to find a different nest? Thanks. Wish I could copy and paste a pic. of this juvenile to this blog, but it won't let me.
Tonya

8:49 PM  
Blogger Tonya said...

Seems I can't paste pic of juvenile in here, I thought I would give you the web page to look at.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEMiCKrZeFk

Maybe that will help you answer my question. I don't know if you have seen the video yet or not.
Thanks again Tonya

9:14 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

4:58AM (EDT) 7-18-06

4:39AM and both eaglets must have been in the nest over night - I can hear Little chirping for breakfast and see Big moving about.

Magnificent view of Little taking off from the branch the adults usually sit on. He just glided off and downward. Big is on the branch nearest the cam. Was - now she is on water side of nest checking for any leftover bits and pieces.

You can still hear Little flying around or in a nearby tree calling - and Big had moved a rather large twig around in the nest and now sits on the 'parent' branch over the water.

Too wonderful - yes those LUCKY LANDOWNERS could have coffee outside and watch Nature at its best every morning!!

Thank you BioDiversity!!!

5:03 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Boy, with this wider view you can get a good idea of how big this nest is. Here's a question, I don't know if it's been addressed yet, maybe the landowner or the biologists can answer it. How many years has the nest been in this tree? I'm sure the weight must be immense. No wonder you hear stories of nests falling to the ground now and then. I know of an eagle nest where I kayak and it's been there at least eight years and its not as big as the one on the cam. I paddled by it the other day and there was a young one sitting on the edge of the nest. I didn't see a young one at all last year so it was good to see that the adults were successful raising at least one chick this year.

6:02 AM  
Blogger Unknown said...

6:49AM (EDT) 7-18-06

MY GOODNESS!!!!That was the coolest sight I've ever seen - mom - maybe dad (since he left so quickly) in the nest eating, and then I heard the eaglets - one right by (on ON) the cam and almost NEXT to your ear, very loud, cam shakes, then you see his wings as he dives towards the nest and food just as the other eaglet comes from the water side! GOOSEBUMPS up and down your spine watching nature so close and LIVE!!

It was BIG at the cam - she got the food and is eating and Little is on the branch by the cam side.

Spectacular! Without the cam being in this position we'd never have known their positions.

PHEW! More adjectives, please Mr. Webster!

6:58 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

0750amEST 07/18/06... I like this view except that you can't tell who is at the nest whether its baby or Dad or Mom. All they are this morning is a black spot. I hope that we can at least get a few more close ups before you take the cam down. I really would like to have a close up of each baby before. They for good. Have a great day. BEV

8:07 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tuesday 7/18 8 am ET
I guess I'm the only one who doesn't like the new angle. I can't tell who's who at the nest. I just saw on of the birds fly in and land smoothly, I'm guessing it's on one the eaglets but it's hard to tell...no, now I think I see the white head of an adult. Another is flying all around the tree, crying loudly, now it's landed and is manteling over the food that the adult brought. Yes, it is one of the eaglets...the adult has moved to a branch. The eaglet flew completely around the tree, crying , before it landed in the nest. Oh-oh, the adult has come back into the nest and is helping itself to the food the eaglet was eating. The eaglet does not like this and is making QUITE a racket, crying loudly and manteling. I guess all families have their squabbles, lol. WHOA! The camera just zoomed back in, pardon me while I steady myself! That's close...I feel like I'm in the nest with the birds! Thank you, I like this view better.
Rhode Island

8:21 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

QUESTIONS for BiOLOGISTS --

Keep carrying this forward and add your unanswered questions -- if the person who screens our entries permits us to do it. Questions stand out better this way than if they are still buried somewhere in an old message.


Would an eaglet grow up to mate with it's sibling?

Is there anything in nature that prevents or discourages siblings from mating?

Why did a mature eagle (thought to be the male) "attack" an eaglet earlier this month, I thinkthe observer said it was at a food delivery?

Who was that strange visitor to the nest Saturday the 15th?

If he was an almost mature juvenile eaglet, will he attempt to take over this territory and nest next year?

(If I missed yours, please add it to the list and re-post it)

8:55 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm never sure whether to give an opinion or tell what happens here, or if you prefer to wait and see whether the biologist answers your question. But I'll share what I've read, and observed, for what it's worth.

I think if the old territory and the old nest are available he will use it. Chances are it won't be available, though! If the nesting pair are still alive and healthy, based on my observations, they will be back in the territory and claim this nest before the newly matured eagles ever get back from their Winter journeys! The juveniles seem to wander farther away during the Winter than the mature nesting eagles do and don't seem to get back as early.

Our mature eagles check back on the nest throughout the Winter -- I think they just go down to Merrymeeting Bay at the mouth of the Kennebec for the Winter. They come back here from time to time. E-mail reports of sightings come in from neighbours up and down the river every time they do a fly by!!

(Since they aren't banded, we're just guessing that it's them)

At the end of February or the beginning of March they come back here and stay here, finding food at a nearby falls, or going to the Kennebec River nearby looking for "open water".

Charlie says this doesn't always happen, but the mature eagles here will "drive off" the juveniles from this essential habitat and the nearby river, from February, until late Fall. They don't fight (unless the visitors try to get in the nest and take food from this year's eaglets) They just kind of "escort them" out of here! :-)

My neighbours tell me that there's a crowd of juveniles hanging out just a little ways down the river. I seldom see them here.

We also have a new nest down river this year; I think one of our juveniles who matured came back to the territory and nested nearby -- but not too close to this nest! :-)

9:18 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

07/18/06 0955 EST......Rhode Island...no you are not the only one who doesn't like the far out angle!! I already said I didn't either. Also For betty said... Little was at the nest this am and also yesterday in the morning for a long time. They took turns yesterday as they had a scuffle on Sunday and I think they were avoiding each other. Dad feds them about 0715-0730 usually and sometimes comes back at 0930 am. Then the parents come in again to drop food about 1:00 pm to fed them and sometimes eat what they haven't and then all have been gone by 2:30 everyday. This is not set in stone but it has been kinda od a routine lately. I notice the babies land and holler for food and usually its Dad that comes and then if they are around at 4-5pm Mom sometimes comes to feed them. Hope this answers your questions. I like the far out angkle once in awhile but I try not to watch the Live video alot and its hard with the still cam to see who is in the nest. Have a great day all. BEV

10:11 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was wondering as well where Little has been.

Also wondering whether I am the only one that seems to be having a problem with the sound. Is there something that I need to do to get it back? I have hit the "sound" and "mute" button over and over, but nothing happens.

1:24 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

1:40PM (EDT) 7-18-06

A blogger caught exactly what took my breath away this morning at 6:49AM (my blog above) and this is what happened - you can hear BIG in your ear and see her fly to the nest as well as Little come in from the left. Glad I woke up early:

http://media.putfile.com/July18amlandings

SPECTACULAR VIEW!

1:47 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Betty; both eaglets were in the nest yesterday. I have not been able to access the site all afternoon and I only saw on eaglet this morning with a parent bird. I hope the cam hasn't been turned off!!!
Rhode Island 5:30 PM ET

5:38 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Both eaglets were seen many times in past couple of days. We also saw at least one parent if not both. They are all pretty !

Aline from Québec city
July 18th, 2006 at 9:32 EDT :-)

9:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

07/19/060740est.. I HAVE BEEN WORRIED TO SEE IF THE EAGLE NEST GOT HIT WITH THE MAJOR STORM WE JUST HAD YESTERDAY. aT 3PMEST aUGUSTA,mE. GOT HIT WITH 59-75 MILES AN HOUOR WINDS KNOCKING TREES AND THINGS DOWN. nO POWER TO some people and was so worried, but from what I see this am it looks like a few brances got blown. Hope everyone else is fine. Jane, How about you are you O.K.? I think you are in the Winslow area right? Have a great day everyone. Bev

7:56 AM  
Blogger Unknown said...

9:19AM (EDT) 7-19-06

Those storms must have hit the habitat of the eagle nest but this morning it looks fine. The only visitor I've seen is a curious songbird on a branch.

Cam is a bit TOO close - can't even see the bowl of the nest. Unless the storm knocked it out of kilter.

8:25 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I do not care what angle you have, each day I get to see the eagles is a treat which I cherish because sooner or later they will be leaving us. Thank you BRI.

9:25 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Burke, 719

When I first checked in this morning just before 9am, no one was on the nest. About 9:45am Big was there and someone flew in touched the nest and took off again. Could not tell if it was adult or Little. But then a few minutes later Little flew in and sat on branch above Big whose feathers were getting quite ruffled (maybe it was the wind). Big then started screaming (I can't hear them either so I don't know how some people are) but the visual tells me she is screaming loudly. I had to get off for a few minutes and when I returned they were both gone.

Anyone else see what happened?

10:44 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here I am watching one of the eaglets (can't tell which since the camera is zoomed out)in the nest, glance out my window, and there in my front yard is mommy deer nursing her two little fawns. Wow!

4:11 PM  
Blogger Tonya said...

July 19th

Nest is located some where on Mount Desert Island. There has been a lot of talk on Infotec Forum, about where it is located.
I remembered reading at some point about the location in one of the blogs, written by Bucky Owen. After tons of searching, I located the blog. You can find it in the blog titled, JUNE 7 NOTES BANDING EAGLES
the date you want is, 6/20 BUCKY OWEN SAID.

I am hoping that someone that goes to both site will take this info and post it on Infotec Forum - Maine Eagles site, as I haven't signed up to post in that forum, but I do read it daily to catch up with what has happened during the day when I am at work. I love the pictures that they can post over on that site, and I would like to say thank you to everyone over there, for the awesome job you are doing on capturing the daily antics of our babies.

I hope this helps all of those that are wondering about the land they are seeing in the background.
Keep up the great work.
Tonya from Leeds, Maine

9:44 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

7-20-06 00:42AM (EDT)

What land is that we see when the cam is zoomed out? Is that shores on the other side of the cove? Is it rocky? I can see hills or mountains - and then what appears to be gray and blue verticle lines which might be sunlight hitting the shoreline, but can't be certain. Just curious as to the area and surroundings the eagles have.

Such a nice large area of water. There should be plenty of food until the eaglets venture out on their own. (I hope).

12:49 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks to you guys who provide the websites containing recorded videos of eagle activity! These are shots most of us never get to see without your help since we can't "time" when there will be something going on in the nest. The first thing I do when I arrive at work in the morning is check the eagle web cam! Gets my day started off just right. The view of the water and the nest high atop the tree using that wide angle is just breathtaking! Thanks all, for sharing your video!

southern Indiana

8:38 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Burke, VA - 7-20

Tried to write yesterday, but seemed blog wasn't working. Just in case the question re nests being taken over hasn't been answered yet. I have a question: Several months ago in the Washington, DC area a mature bald eagle was attacked on the nest by a younger female -- she was hurt very badly and taken away for rehabilitation. She had been sitting on her eggs which hatched a few days later -- the male apparently couldn't do it by himself. The other female apparently never did take over the nest or George.

Charlie, or other biologists, could you tell us what you think may have happened and whether you think the younger female was probably one of George and Martha's offspring.

Thank you.

9:16 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

6/20 @ 8:30 PDT - Both eaglets there, one in nest another on branch calling for food. You can't blame them for hanging around. Great room (nice bed with perfect view and the price is right). And let's not forget the room service.

11:44 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

8:50AM PACIFIC STANDARD TIME 7/20 thursday

BOTH EAGLETS ON NEST AND/OR ON OCEAN SIDE BRANCH YELLING FOR FOOD.
NO ADULTS YET

12:03 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

July 20 9:00am PST
FOOD DROP. BOTH EAGLETS RUSHED THE ADULT WHO GOT THE HECK OUT OF THERE AND FLEW AWAY. KIDS HAVING A TUSSLE OVER THE FOOD

12:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Huge fight on the nest at 12:50pm EST on 7/20 and both went right over the edge :(
Hope they are both ok...
Camera is too far away to tell exactly who it was.

12:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

12:45 PM ET
Both birds were fighting and both plummeted off the nest on the water side. I saw one bird fluttering on a lower branch and now, at 12:50, I saw that bird fly away towards the water. I have not seen the other eaglet.
Rhode Island

12:57 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

12:50PM (EDT) 7-20-06

Eaglets were both in nest and for no apparent reason began to fight. Both fell off the left side; both landed on something substantial but Big righted herself and flew off. Little remained as you could hear him chirping, guess he's gone now - I just checked back (8 mins later) and don't hear him. He's probably flown off looking for a parent as Big did.

The parents seem to be trying to wean the eaglets - they don't visit the nest as often. Guess it's getting time to close up the summer house soon.

1:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

2;20 eST 07/20... sAW THE TUSSLE AT LUNCHTIME AND THERE WERE TWO TUSSLE I believe. I think they both O.K. as its pretty quiet there. Al view is sooo faw away that I can't tell who is who unless they are side by side when they are they fuss at each other. I wish the view had been closer as twenty minutes before the tussle Little was at Big's feet, layingt there! I really think that Dad is at the nest with food alot still. Some days it can be up to three times during my 8 hours work day and other times its definitely twice. Dad sometimes will stay like Mom and eat also. I hate to think of not seeing them again, but can see it happening in a week or so ...........I wish they would bring the viewwer up closer. BEV

2:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

July 20

Bev - thank you for asking.

Winslow didn't even HAVE any storm, even though we are only 21 miles from Augusta. I think we might have later had a brief rain storm, that was it. Does anyone know whether they got hail, etc, at the eagle cam? The cameras were down for quite a while but don't know if that was just preventative.

Jane

3:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

BRINGING QUESTIONS FORWARD:

If I missed yours, add it to the list and bring the list "forward" where hopefully the biologist will see it.

--> Would an eaglet grow up to mate with it's sibling (would Big and Little be likely to mate some day was the question, from a blogger's daughter)

Is there anything in nature that prevents or discourages siblings from mating? (wondering from Jane)

--> Why did a mature eagle (thought to be the male) "attack" an eaglet earlier this month, I think the observer said it was at a food delivery.

--> Back on July 15th, a juvenile eagle was in the nest. I watched a video of it. I am wondering if you figure the juvenile is the same one that visited the nest back on Feb. 5th.

If you think that is probable, do you feel it is trying to establish a territory for him/her self for next year. It has alot of white on its head, so I am assuming by next spring, it will be consider an adult.

What is the likely hood it will take over this nest forcing our nesting adults to find a different nest?

Thanks. Wish I could copy and paste a pic. of this juvenile to this blog, but it won't let me.

Tonya

Seems I can't paste pic of juvenile in here, I thought I would give you the web page to look at.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEMiCKrZeFk

--> If the stranger wasn't that same juvenile we saw in February, is it likely to be a sibling from a previous year at the nest?



--> Anonymous said...

Burke, VA - 7-20

Just in case the question re nests being taken over hasn't been answered yet. I have a question: Several months ago in the Washington, DC area a mature bald eagle was attacked on the nest by a younger female -- she was hurt very badly and taken away for rehabilitation. She had been sitting on her eggs which hatched a few days later -- the male apparently couldn't do it by himself. The other female apparently never did take over the nest or George.

Charlie, or other biologists, could you tell us what you think may have happened and whether you think the younger female was probably one of George and Martha's offspring.

Thank you.

--> Susan S said...

CHARLIE:

When you write your notes on Friday, PLEASE address the little brother's access to food. I just saw the sister jump into the nest from a limb, little brother was in the nest - picking, I think. There was another pushing match with wings open, and little brother had to go to the side of the nest with that sweet head hanging.

I am really worried about him.

You once said they would not hang out together if they didn't like each other, so why are they both there at the same time if they always have these food fights? Is it sibling love...unless there is food around?

Since most of us have seen little brother get pushed away from the food, PLEASE, CHARLIE, tell us if HE is getting enough to eat. And WHY is Mom taking their food away from them now? Is this tough love to get them ready to find their own? If it is, Dad's a softie.


--> Also wondering whether I am the only one that seems to be having a problem with the sound. Is there something that I need to do to get it back? I have hit the "sound" and "mute" button over and over, but nothing happens.

--> Is there a technical problem with the sound, or was it a deliberate decision to stop having sound now?

Why can some people GET sound and others can't?

..> please let us know ahead of time if the eagle cam is going to be turned off!! :-)

3:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thurs July 20th

The beauty of the long camera views is that we may get a chance to see the eaglets fly, even if it is just around the nest tree.

Go to the info tech forum, page 83 and click on the links to the two film clips Judy uploaded in her message with the date Thu. July 20, 1:50 AM (Greenwich Mean Time, I guess)

The first one shows each of the eaglets flying, one all the way around the tree once, and the other flying in to take a landing.

The second one shows a squabble between the two of them but I can't make that one run on my computer.

4:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OOOPS. Did i give the address for the infotec forum page with the flight video?

http://forum.infotecbsi.com/viewtopic.php?t=6750&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=2050

4:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

July 20th

Maybe rather than weaning the eaglets, the parents are feeding them more often away from the nest, showing them where food is caught, and how to catch it. That's what happens here at about this stage.

Eaglets would have no way of knowing where fish and other prey come from if they didn't go foraging with their parents, and watch. Perhaps they would instinctively know how to catch it and carry it to a nearby perch ... or perhaps they learn that from observation, too. Biologists??

It wastes less energy for the parents to feed them where the food is, rather than carrying the food back to the nest each time. Eagles never waste energy, because they are big, and use a lot of it when they fly. If they use less energy they have to catch less prey!

Also, the eaglets learn their way around their habitat by flying around where the parents go, and seeing what the parents do, where the good perches are, for eating your food, where it's okay to land, where it isn't, how to react to lobster boats pick up trucks, people, etc. etc.

A whole lot of learning is going on! I think for a while they'll still be fed at the nest at breakfast, and perhaps at bed time.

4:34 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

DONATIONS:



BioDiversity Research Institute, 19 Flaggy Meadow Road
Gorham, ME 04038

Address is also at the bottom of the main page:
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5:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thursday 7/20 5:30 ET
CHARLIE, I know you'll post tomorrow...the 21st...do you have any idea how much longer we have with the cam???
And, has anyone seen BOTH eaglets since they took that fall out of the nest this morning?
Rhode Island

6:32 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

8:38PM (EDT) 7-20-06

TONYA - in Leeds, ME! Thank you so very much - that helped and I had posted that but another person said it was wrong since he lived on that island. I did post what you suggested (the blog from Bucky Owens).

That caused me to question my other query about the nest - how deep it was and I did locate that as well. Charlie's Journal notes on Feb 15th - and I'll quote for folks here:
This is the 11th consecutive year of eagle residency at this site. Construction of this nest began in October, 2005. In just 10 seasons of use, the nest has grown to a two-level structure: each measures 3-4 feet in width and depth. The lower level appears to be residual debris from the original nest that partly fell after damage to supporting limbs. Our eagle 'cam is zoomed in on the "top floor" portion of the nest to optimize views of upcoming breeding activity.

Thank you again Tonya and BRI.

8:49 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I know I'm early but I'm so disappointed to see no new posts saying whether both our babies are OK; no post from Charlie:...and no eaglets. I sure hope they're ok after yesterday's frightening tumble. I know several of us saw one bird fly from a lower branch...but what happened to the other one???
Rhode Island 7:35 AM 7/21

7:48 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There's a visitor sitting on the limb by the nest this morning (a young eagle with a lot of white on his head)! I can hear Big calling from somewhere out of camera range!

9:52 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

7/21 9:45 ET One of the eaglets is back...sitting on Little's branch. I think it is Little...he is getting a lot of white feathers on his head now. I've been hoping to see both eaglets but haven't since that fall they both took...I think I can hear the other eaglet crying and it seems like it is coming from another location. It sounds like Little so I guess the bird on the branch is Big...I hope Little wasn't injured in the fall, his call sounds very weak. The cam was pulled way back this morning and I did not see it on any of the lower branches that were visible. I did hear a much louder call but I suppose that it could have been a parent...very confusing.
In answer to another blogger about the sound. I'm not sure what happened to it but if I turn my speakers all the way up I can hear the birds crying (over the buzz of my speakers). I also have an adjustment on the bottom of the cam window that has to be turned up all the way.
The eaglet took off about five minutes ago and I have heard nothing since so maybe it was Little on the branch and I just couldn't see his beak moving when he called. I'm waiting anxiously for Charlie's post.
Rhode Island

10:19 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Was just wondering what happened to the soundon the eagle cam? Several of my friends and myself do not get sound anymore.

10:56 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

susan s
You had asked earlier about donating to the eagles/Bri and where to go...

Look in between the two "Live Video" and "Live Video 2" buttons and you will see Click here to support this project :o)

I just noticed that link there myself about a month ago and laughed that I had never noticed it before.

2:59 PM  

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